NZ Big Day Birdathon 2017

General birdwatching discussion, help with bird identification, and all other things relating to wild birds and birding in NZ that don't fit in one of the other forums.
User avatar
Amber Calman
Posts: 651
Joined: Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:03 pm
Location: Nelson Lakes
Contact:

Re: NZ Big Day Birdathon 2017

Postby Amber Calman » Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:38 pm

This sounds really cool! But the link to the website seems to just go to a rather blank site at the moment?
(*)> Amber Calman, Age 15
/ ) Blog https://youngbirderdom.wordpress.com/
/"
User avatar
George Hobson
Posts: 524
Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:54 am
Location: Wellington
Contact:

Re: NZ Big Day Birdathon 2017

Postby George Hobson » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:13 pm

Liam Ballard wrote:I will claim the Taranaki record of 48 if no-one else does...

Cheers Liam.
Latest lifer: Long-tailed Cuckoo in East Harbour Regional Park (153)!
User avatar
mark ayre
Posts: 153
Joined: Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:31 am
Location: Wanaka
Contact:

Re: NZ Big Day Birdathon 2017

Postby mark ayre » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:13 pm

web site still under construction will let you know when its finished
User avatar
kimbirdley
Posts: 6
Joined: Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:07 pm
Location: Timaru, New Zealand
Contact:

Re: NZ Big Day Birdathon 2017

Postby kimbirdley » Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:19 pm

Hey team!

I'm working on the website and would very much value any input with regards with which checklist to use.

At the moment, this is what I have done in the way of set-up (obviously not all the birds are listed there yet, but I am working on it): www.birdathon.co.nz/checklist

People can search for the bird they want information on, and then click through to the listing on New Zealand Birds Online for more information, bird calls, descriptions, images, etc.

I'm also looking into the best way to record actual observations. So far looking into eBird, Nature Watch. The other option is that we ask people to use a form and manually enter the data later (though that could be a lot of work).

My preference is Nature Watch because it has an open API that I can essentially use to embed a form into the website directly. If you've taken part in the Great Kererū Count, you will have seen that set up in action.

@George - can't wait to see your map. We can 100% embed it in the website. Woo!
Kimberley Collins
Science and Conservation Communicator
http://www.kimberleycollins.com
User avatar
George Hobson
Posts: 524
Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:54 am
Location: Wellington
Contact:

Re: NZ Big Day Birdathon 2017

Postby George Hobson » Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:16 pm

Hey Kimberley,

I'm going to advocate against Naturewatch (even though it is easier from the developers point of view). It doesn't have the feature where you can record checklists of multiple different species, all in one report - so in essence if I was at Waikanae beach, I'd need to do heaaaaps of different entries, like one for pied shag, one for little shag, one for WF tern, one for VOC, one for Black-backed gulls and so on and so on.
Whereas with eBird I can keep one single list for the whole day, it'll record how many km I travel and I just add species and numbers to that list as I go..... Hope that makes sense.

I'll FB you the map link as soon as I've got it done :)
Latest lifer: Long-tailed Cuckoo in East Harbour Regional Park (153)!
User avatar
Liam Ballard
Posts: 164
Joined: Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:51 pm
Location: Glen Massey, Waikato
Contact:

Re: NZ Big Day Birdathon 2017

Postby Liam Ballard » Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:44 pm

Cool index thing on the website, can I suggest that you maybe use the more commonly accepted names for birds in NZ e.g. Grey Warbler vs Gray Gerygone?
Liam Ballard

Latest lifer: Buller's Shearwater

http://dippinginparadise.blogspot.co.nz/
User avatar
Nikki McArthur
Posts: 308
Joined: Sun Jun 26, 2011 5:49 pm

Re: NZ Big Day Birdathon 2017

Postby Nikki McArthur » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:16 pm

Hi George,

I agree with you regarding using eBird in preference to NatureWatch. I'd sent Kimberley a PM about this earlier in the day, but in light of your message thought it might be useful to re-post on the public thread for others to see. Here goes:

Hi Kimberley,

I've been following progress on the planning of the NZ Big Day Birdathon with great interest, I think it's a great idea!

If you're still looking into options for a system to record observations on the day, I'd strongly advocate you to use eBird in preference to NatureWatch. I've been a keen user of these citizen science databases for a number of years, and have formed the view that eBird is the far superior system for recording citizen science bird observations in NZ.

There are a few reasons for this, namely:

- Observations submitted to eBird have a far greater likelihood of being put to use to inform the conservation of birds and their habitats in NZ, and to carry out new research on trends in the distribution and abundance of birds, so any birder submitting their observations to eBird will therefore also be making more of a contribution towards bird conservation in NZ than if they used NatureWatch. One reason behind this difference is that eBird structures observations into complete checklists, which are far more useful when it comes to mapping bird distribution than simple one-off records are. Another reason is that eBird has much more robust data checking systems chugging away behind the scenes, so is far better at weeding out erroneous observations than NatureWatch is. The flow-on effect from this being that researchers and conservation managers can have far greater confidence in the reliability of eBird data than they can of NatureWatch data.

- Many of the birders likely to participate in the Birdathon are also already habitual eBird users, so by using eBird for the Birdathon, your participants won't have to learn how to use a novel reporting system just for that one day.

- In terms of size, eBird also dwarfs NatureWatch when it comes to the number of citizen science bird records that it holds. eBird currently holds over 750,000 bird observations for New Zealand, whereas NatureWatch contains only a few tens of thousands. So if you'd like your Birdathon participants to add their data to the largest repository of citizen science bird observations in NZ, then eBird is the database to use.

I understand that there might be some technical reasons behind your preference to use NatureWatch (i.e. the availability of open API), however I'd encourage you to weigh this convenience up against what your wider goals of holding a Birdathon are. As well as creating a fun birding event, and engaging a number of birders in the process, the observations that are collected on the day could also be put to great use by conservation agencies if participants were given the opportunity to add them to eBird, rather than NatureWatch. And it would be a real shame if all that effort spent by all of us experienced birders wasn't put to good use...

I'm not at all experienced with website or database design, so I'm afraid I'm no help when it comes to giving you tips on how best to integrate eBird into your Birdathon website. What I do know though is that there is a precedent for eBird to be used for these sorts of events - every year in May eBird runs a "Global Big Day" (essentially a worldwide Birdathon), with tens of thousands of participants from around the world (including a dedicated few from NZ) submitting their Big Day observations via eBird. You can navigate to the following link to have a look at how the global big day eBird page is set up: http://ebird.org/ebird/globalbigday.

I hope this feedback is of help, and best of luck with planning this event!

Best regards,
Nikki
User avatar
mark ayre
Posts: 153
Joined: Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:31 am
Location: Wanaka
Contact:

Re: NZ Big Day Birdathon 2017

Postby mark ayre » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:36 pm

Was thinking that either or both methods could be used but am leaving it up to our volunteers who are building the web site the choice.

cheers mark
User avatar
mark ayre
Posts: 153
Joined: Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:31 am
Location: Wanaka
Contact:

Re: NZ Big Day Birdathon 2017

Postby mark ayre » Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:51 pm

Well the web site is live now http://birdathon.co.nz

so you can register if you like

and please encourage your friends evan if just a family has a go its all good FUN

cheers Mark
User avatar
kimbirdley
Posts: 6
Joined: Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:07 pm
Location: Timaru, New Zealand
Contact:

Postby kimbirdley » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:21 am

Hi everyone! It sounds like eBird is the best option. I downloaded the app but found it exceptionally difficult to use. My main concern is that I don't want to turn people who have never been involved with something like this.

Wondering if I should try to contact the people behind eBird to find out if it can be embedded into the website - always grateful for help, so let me know if you have any ideas.

Perhaps we need two options:

1. People who are comfortable using eBird use it.
2. A tick list that can be submitted at the end of the Big Day that volunteers can enter into eBird later on.

P.S. I have embedded George's awesome map onto the website!
Kimberley Collins
Science and Conservation Communicator
http://www.kimberleycollins.com

Return to “General Birding Discussion”