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Re: ID thoughts on this strange passerine at Akaroa?

Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:43 pm
by andrewcrossland
Yeah i'd considered lemon-bellied flycatcher and also the Cyornis jungle-flycatchers but the head isn't proportioned right , the eye isn't prominent and it doesn't have that white supercilium.
The location is about 3 km away from where c.90 cruise ships per year anchor while visiting Akaroa, so it wouldn't be totally impossible for a stray land bird to fly ashore (albeit most cruise ships have visited other nz ports before reaching Akaroa ).
More than happy for someone to post a pic of a Dunnock that shares all the features of this bird. Until then - in the absence of other ID mysterious to muse over, I'm gonna keep chewing over this one.....
There's been 477 views if this post now but only 2 people brave enough to offer suggestions! I'm hoping for more opinions posted it?!!

Re: ID thoughts on this strange passerine at Akaroa?

Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:24 pm
by Paul Scofield
Well perhaps AC its up to you to first explain why you definately think it isnt something common. :) It clearly has a black mask and I can see no reason to think it isn't a rather washed out brown creeper.

Re: ID thoughts on this strange passerine at Akaroa?

Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:40 pm
by Oscar Thomas
Brown creepers do not have a 'series of unusual loud single note calls that sounded similar to a Greenfinch's' as Andrew described, nor do they sit still long enough in low vegetation for photos like that. I don't see how this can be anything but a Dunnock. If you saw my comparison pic you can see it is near identical, especially the facial markings. Could be less stocky because of age/sex/time of year. This lighting is abysmal which makes it appear less striated and it could also be a reflection of the light causing the yellowish belly.
Can someone back me up on it being a Dunnock, please!

Re: ID thoughts on this strange passerine at Akaroa?

Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:58 pm
by Davidthomas
I’m with Oscar on this, i think it’s just a slightly weird plumaged Dunnock. I wish I had time to go check it out myself but works an ass.

Would be happy to be proven wrong however.

Re: ID thoughts on this strange passerine at Akaroa?

Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:01 pm
by Colin Miskelly
Looks pretty dunnocky to me Oscar :)

Re: ID thoughts on this strange passerine at Akaroa?

Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:17 pm
by andrewcrossland
Yep, it certainly wasn't a Brown Creeper.

I had just finished a slow-walk bush bird transect when I came across the bird, so I was in the right "head space" for hearing and recognizing bird calls and for seeing and recognizing birds flying about or sitting in trees. This bird sat on a branch and called for a good 5 minutes while I watched it and tried to get photos. Not a single note of a Brown Creeper's contact calls or song in that entire time. As I said, there was a group of noisy Brown Creepers only a short distance back up the track. The stillness of this bird, its jizz, its lack of brown-creeper-esque facial markings, its finer bill, its tidier tail, etc, all indicated it wasn't a Brown Creeper.

The only NZ bird it was close to was a Dunnock, but I'm open to alternative suggestions........Does anything in the Pacific Islands look like this? Anything from the islands where the cruise ships sail from??

I know the pics are really crappy! but despite this they all show that dark cap and lores, that pale throat, that lemon-yellow belly, that lack of dark striations...... What age/plumaged Dunnock is that? Keep the ideas coming in folks!

Re: ID thoughts on this strange passerine at Akaroa?

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:42 am
by RussCannings
Always appreciate a rare ID discussion in NZ--cheers AC.

To me all signs point to dunnock (happens to be one if the dullest accentors on offer). I can't think of a single West Polynesian passerine that has a notched tail and accentor-like bill. Given that it was singing, this rules out any obscure female Asian flycatcher (and the type of song rules out virtually all make flycatchers/monarchs). I also agree that the bill/head shape and facial expression is wrong for a flycatcher.

So if it's shaped like a dunnock, calls like a dunnock, sings like a dunnock, and is in a place where dunnock is the most likely candidate, I'd go with dunnock.

The slightly off plumage could be due to wear, moult, bad-feather day, recent dust/water bath, poor lighting?

Still, the variety of responses on here shows how tricky photo ID is! These are my thoughts anyway :)

Russ

Re: ID thoughts on this strange passerine at Akaroa?

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:43 pm
by George Hobson
I'd agree with everyone saying Dunnock - definitely looks like one.

Re: ID thoughts on this strange passerine at Akaroa?

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:31 pm
by TheBirderman
I agree with Dunnock.

Re: ID thoughts on this strange passerine at Akaroa?

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:41 am
by AlanShaw
Andrew, did you notice the bird regularly flicking its wings, as this is a constant habit of the Dunnock ---------hence an old English name of Shufflewing. The silhouette certainly fits Dunnock.