non NZ birds mistakenly shown as NZ birds....

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Re: non NZ birds mistakenly shown as NZ birds....

Postby Peter R » Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:44 pm

Just up in Auckland for a few days and they have some interesting Gulls in their car parks parking cars
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Re: non NZ birds mistakenly shown as NZ birds....

Postby SomesBirder » Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:57 pm

I visited Te Papa today. The tea towel from the older post isn't there any more, but the 'wrong kingfisher' problem was still there in a different form!
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Re: non NZ birds mistakenly shown as NZ birds....

Postby Davidthomas » Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:00 pm

I was in The Warehouse in Sylvia Park yesterday when I noticed this advertising TVs... it seems people really cannot get their heads around identifying the New Zealand Kingfisher :lol:
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Re: non NZ birds mistakenly shown as NZ birds....

Postby andrewcrossland » Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:40 pm

And, yet again, another kingfisher..................... This time at the Warehouse!

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Ian McLean
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Re: non NZ birds mistakenly shown as NZ birds....

Postby Ian McLean » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:38 am

Hello Somesbirder
In regard to the "'wrong kingfisher' problem", have you already contacted Living Light Candles to advise them of their error ?
Just checking before I send them an email.
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Ian McLean
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Re: non NZ birds mistakenly shown as NZ birds....

Postby SomesBirder » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:35 am

Ian McLean wrote:Hello Somesbirder
In regard to the "'wrong kingfisher' problem", have you already contacted Living Light Candles to advise them of their error ?
Just checking before I send them an email.
Regards
Ian McLean

Hi Ian,

No; I have not contacted Living Light Candles about this.
Perhaps you should let them know that they ought to be more aware of the identity of the birds that are featured in their products; on the artist's website, I see that the artist has also made two paintings of exotic falcons and one painting of what appears to be a cocoi heron, and he gives no indication of whether or not he is aware that they are not New Zealand birds.

-Somes
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Re: non NZ birds mistakenly shown as NZ birds....

Postby andrewcrossland » Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:57 pm

Hi folks,

I've just been reading back through these posts and much of the use of the wrong bird has either to do with unknowledgeable people doing something like a google search and simply getting the wrong species, or artists who are clearly painting from images not from real life. But the example that CMKM Stephens pointed out back in his post of 25 Jan reaches a whole new level of crazy!......

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/n ... tare-mural

I mean, really?! That's a "Kotare"?.

I mean from the sizeable group of people involved with this project and who worked together to put these two mural birds up on the wall so their community could build some greater affiliation with nature, was there not one of them who even knew what a kotare actually looks like? Maybe that's a pretty revealing indictment on something in this country that ain't quite working - a sense of affiliation with our indigenous wildlife without actually having any familiarity with it??.......

Here are the 2 kingfishers in the mural in case you missed them: They are absolutely awesome paintings, simply gorgeous, but they're of a species of bird that lives thousands of miles away on another continent!

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And check out the design on the matching jackets!
Someone in Wellington needs to sensitively and quietly have a friendly chat with these guys - maybe just substitute the word kingfisher for kotare and paint an actual kotare on a nearby wall?
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Re: non NZ birds mistakenly shown as NZ birds....

Postby Jan » Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:16 am

I don't think non-birders properly look at a Kingfisher/Kotare at all. They may see one briefly perched somewhere but they don't register its feather patterns and exact appearance. So when they get an image of a Kingfisher from somewhere that they want to copy, they just assume any old kingfisher looks the same. Maybe if we had some of the fabulous Asian kingfishers here, this might not happen, but.....
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Re: non NZ birds mistakenly shown as NZ birds....

Postby Jan » Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:16 am

I don't think non-birders properly look at a Kingfisher/Kotare at all. They may see one briefly perched somewhere but they don't register its feather patterns and exact appearance. So when they get an image of a Kingfisher from somewhere that they want to copy, they just assume any old kingfisher looks the same. Maybe if we had some of the fabulous Asian kingfishers here, this might not happen, but.....
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Re: non NZ birds mistakenly shown as NZ birds....

Postby Finn Davey » Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:23 pm

Here's another Common Kingfisher instead of a Kotare. A poster filled with geometric styled NZ birds.

https://www.pinterest.nz/pin/61220876168068346/
https://felt.co.nz/listing/213416/A2-Ne ... tional-art

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