Guinea fowl, Lake Ellesmere

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Re: Guinea fowl, Lake Ellesmere

Postby Davidthomas » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:03 am

Mute Swans for the most part are an established feral population donated to New Zealand by the Queen in the 1800s although they’ve been topped up over the years by ducks unlimited who’ve bred them and sold them to fund conservation projects etc.
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Re: Guinea fowl, Lake Ellesmere

Postby Adam C » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:40 am

I guess what Im saying is these ones having bred in the system aren't a pair of wing clipped pets to my knowledge unless someone else knows otherwise. I'm sure there are plenty around but first ones Ive seen for a while I figure I can count as wild or if we want to get birdy a 'tick' :)
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Re: Guinea fowl, Lake Ellesmere

Postby Davidthomas » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:54 am

Any of the ones on Ellesmere are fair game in my eyes s they definitely breed out there and I don’t think anyone has released any in recent history.

There are also often wild birds at the Taranaki wetlands near Waikuku beach, Pegasus wetlands and sometime seen in other spots.
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Re: Guinea fowl, Lake Ellesmere

Postby sav » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:05 pm

Hi AC and all,

Of course you can count what you want, and particularly in terms of your Canty Big Year, you can make the rules, but Guinea fowl have to be pretty close to chickens anywhere. It would be very hard to confirm a true feral population anywhere in NZ, because of the numbers bred in captivity.

Mute Swan at Coopers Lagoon and elswhere near Ellesmere have to be OK. Turkeys in most places probably are, since no-one seems to farm them.

We (for Wrybill Tours) tried to convince ourselves that the larger concentrations of "feral chickens" were countable - but in the end sense prevailed.

Anyway, who really cares?
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Re: Guinea fowl, Lake Ellesmere

Postby andrewcrossland » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:02 pm

I agree with Sav with regards the veracity of Guinea Fowl as a wild bird in Canty or NZ, but for the purposes of the Canterbury BIG YEAR I think its ok - as long as we all agree they're living wild and not hanging out by the letterbox of someone's farmyard. One of the aims of this big year is to get more Cantabrian birders out giving it their all, so a few "dodgy" species, as long as its a level playing field and we all agree to the limitations around them.

Another aim of the BIG YEAR is for people to actually go out and investigate the populations of various ferals - we know for example that SC Cockatoos, and Mute Swan have bone fide wild pops in Canterbury, while others are have been around long term like Cape Barren Geese at St Annes Lagoon, Feral Geese flocks at Lake Ellesmere, wild turkeys on the road between S H/W 1 and NapeNape Beach and Feral chickens at Ruru Rd substation, Bromley, but we need to know more about peafowl, Guineafowl, Barbary Doves, Golden Pheasant, etc.

That all said, enough with rubbishy old ferals, lets go out and find another Fan-tailed Cuckoo, Black-tailed Native Hen, Painted Snipe, Stilt Sandpiper, White-necked Heron, or a Gentoo Penguin............
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Re: Guinea fowl, Lake Ellesmere

Postby Adam C » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:50 pm

Stilt Sandpiper! Naw ya talkin!!!!
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Re: Guinea fowl, Lake Ellesmere

Postby Steve Wood » Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:16 pm

Hi Andrew,
I might be missing something here but, how can you tick "Chicken"? .... it's not even a species !.... they are all crossbred from what I have seen, not pure Rhode Island Reds, or Light Sussex etc.mostly bantam X's - even if they are breeding and self sustaining.
They are in the same camp as hybrid ducks as I see it :D
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Re: Guinea fowl, Lake Ellesmere

Postby andrewcrossland » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:37 pm

Well there's certainly no Red Jungle Fowl in NZ thats for sure.
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Re: Guinea fowl, Lake Ellesmere

Postby Neil Fitzgerald » Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:52 pm

I peeled the thread from here off to a new one: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8255
I took a bit of a stab at where the discussion shifted significantly, so if you feel something needs to come back to this one, or more from this one needs to go to that one, sing out.
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